CCCWC January competition voters’ comments
Clue no. 5: After knocking back drink, rave dementedly. Could it just be brave talk ?
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| A very nice set of clues, I thought; my only gripe is that Rod LAVER seemed a bit over-used. 25 gets maximum points for ingenious linkage of 'flatter' and 'TV format'. 16, to which I gave 4 points, seemed the neatest of the 'conference pear' clues. 52 was very straightforward, but none the worse for that, 3 points. 2 points for 24, in which 'Filet de' worked very nicely. Finally, 1 point for 5, in which I liked 'brave talk'. At first glance, I marked 23 highly, but 'employ soft soap' is an intransitive phrase while 'flatter' is a transitive verb. |
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A great turnout of 62 clues making the most of a friendly clue word. I hope we get a correspondingly high number of votes and comments. With so many decent clues I had reluctantly to give zeros to some quite acceptable entries, such as 5, 12, 13, 15, 16, 18 and 37. I particularly liked the LAV for P in PAPER idea and the PAVER synonyms. Clue 8 handled the LAV idea best with an amusing surface. The work of an experienced clue-writer, I'm sure. 23 and 61 also used it effectively. 28's flags and 35's ground crew were the best of the PAVERs – the latter edged it thanks to its fully worked-out theme and 'carry-on' pun. The other clue that appealed to me was 14's succinct charade.
Rod Laver was a little too popular, and some clue-writers used 'Rod' to define 'Laver', not acknowledging with a question mark or a 'perhaps' that Laver is just one of many possible Rods (Stewart, Steiger…).
The two best punning definitions in the competition for me were 62's 'yak' and 29's 'how's your father', but sadly both clues were flawed. I couldn't accept 'possible exodus' as a hidden indicator, and 29's writer committed the cardinal sin of merging part but not all of the wordplay into the definition, leaving their Rod dangling cryptically.
A few other clues failed to exploit good ideas well: 11 and 53 stretch the meanings of their components too far in order to create a surface reading, hence the long explanations; 21 creates a very implausible scenario – surreality in its own right isn't necessarily entertaining; 32 really needs 'Lap dances! Rave parties!' – each word may change but the letters stay the same; in 38 and 39, 'parley' and 'palaver' for me are too close etymologically to make the clue interesting; 47, even Ms Palin would spell her name with an initial capital, surely; 50 uses a clever idea but puts it out of the solver's reach – there are just too many possible state names and abbreviations; and in 58 'utter' won't stand as a definition – without it this would have been a good & lit. |
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| I loved clues 5 and 43 and gave them 5 and 4 points respectively. I also found clues 32 and 40 to be quite interseting and awarded them 3 points each. |
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What a word! Such range of defs and variety of wordplay – great choice by our examiner rewarded by fine turnout. After dismissing poor surfaces (my key criterion) I removed inadequate definitions and over-obscure wordplay. All left scored something and get a comment below:
2 nice but I found the ': to engage' part good for the surface but bad for the wordplay
5 lengthy clue but good surface – I liked 'brave talk' definition and its double meaning
8 lovely wordplay, decent surface eclipsed by some other clues though
14 such neat concise and coherent clues always get a mark from me
18 best of the conference pears but I don't like them 'chopped' – this would have scored a point with a better anagrind('stewed' I would suggest)
20 beautiful example of & lit comp anagram, probably many hours in the making – surface conjures up a perfect image of a palaver! My favourite clue this month.
28 smooth surface, I like paver = flag arranger and LA not to be French article or sun drenched city!
37 some regard acronyms as a cop out, but when they read as well as this one they are works of art. I admired the Shakespearian definition!
38 nice & lit effort with non-clumsy surface, I would have awarded it more if it started with "A" rather than "One" for even better surface |
