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A clue to CORNFLAKES.
173 comments were received for this competition (from 21 competitors, 2 others)
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Comments on the competition
1.
Far too many 'clean forks' I'm afraid.
2.
This was presumably given as one word rather than two to allow for the alternative "crazy people" definition, however that has resulted in some weak surfaces. It's also noticeable that 11 out of 72 clues use "clean forks" in very similar ways, and that doesn't even include the variations in 28 32 and 52.
3.
Thanks :)
4.
'Clean forks' (and minor variants) as anagram, though quite relevant and intuitive, has been around for a while. And too many have used it, making it somewhat commonplace, so these clues have regretfully been ignored by me in the shortlist.
5.
One funny story. I once gave a crossword lecture in Oxford and a voice piped up 'I'm Frank Close. What is my anagram?'. Frank is a distinguished writer of popular physics books.
6.
A plethora (ie too many) clean forks
7.
Another bumper crop of entries – many spotting the same anagram possibilities. Novel wordplay with a plausible surface story got my votes.
8.
Phenomenal imagination and ingenuity.
 
Comments on the clues
1. A cereal? Blimey, give them stick everywhere except west.
1.The surface doesn't make much sense!
2.The surface is meaningless, the wordplay does not fairly indicate that flak is INSIDE the compass points, and "give them" is not clued.
2. American fools scare northern folk terribly
1.Almost excellent, I read it as Americans in the North of US scared by Trumpism in the South.
2."Northern folk" is very vague.
3. American nuts and cereal for breakfast
1.Perfectly good DD but lacks wow factor
5. Awful continental breakfast habit tenant dropped for UK fave (10)
1.I'm afraid long subtractive anagrams are a pain in the neck. And there's a rogue H
2.Clever idea but unfortunately this is trying to subtract an “h” that isn’t there
3.This doesn't work because there is no "h" in "continental breakfast". I find the Anagram Artist program (free) useful for checking.
4.The comp. anag. is faulty. No H in ‘continental breakfast’
5.Lovely construction, but sadly the anagram fodder doesn't work correctly (no 'h' in 'continental breakfast')
6. Breakfast pastries stuffed with alternative new filling loathed initially (10)
1.Nice clue except for 'initially' which is an overused indicator
2.OR would need to be "alternatively".
7. Breakfast sets clean forks
1."Breakfast" can't set anything.
2.How can breakfast set anything?
8. Characters to scare folk, the core of QAnon mob?
1.Is 'mob' meant to be an anagrind?
2.Original idea, but I'm not keen on "characters to" meaning "characters of", or "mob" as an anagrind.
3.Nice idea. I think the definition is a bit oblique
4.Every month there is a clue referencing US politics. Its not as amusing to the rest of us.
9. Clean forks added for our morning cereals?
1.I'm not sure how 'added' can serve as an anagrind
2.What is the anagram indicator here? Added?
3.Unlike "addled", "added" is not an anagrind.
10. Clean forks aren't in order when you have this basic breakfast
1.The implication that dirty forks would be OK is strange.
11. Clean forks arranged for breakfast?
1.The neatest of the 'clean forks' brigade!
13. Clean forks set out for having breakfast cereal (10)
1.The rather bizarre explanation is a bit off-putting, and there are too many "clean forks" clues anyway for this to stand any chance.
14. Cocaine rejected by sensitive souls preferring something banal for breakfast
1.Cocaine v cornflakes is an implausible choice.
15. Confused falconer's eating hawk's tail for breakfast
1.The implausible surface lets it down a little
2.My favourite of the falconer+k anagrams for its slightly surreal quality
3.This and 21 are very similar, and equally implausible.
16. Conkers flourishing around Florida are nuts indigenous there
1.a = are is one of those crossword conventions I really dislike.
2.Having to use a specific US state weakens this clue slightly, and I'm not keen on the anagrind.
3.Original idea with a cogent surface
17. Crazy folk near South Carolina?
1.Very economical &lit
2.Simple and effective
3.Having to use a specific US state weakens this clue slightly, and I'd prefer "silly folk" – not keen on mental health related anagrinds.
4.Neatest of the & lit. clues
18. dandruff falls from ears into cereal
1.Yuk! Good image, but 'falls from' seems a bit dodgy as 'follows', and dandruff falls from the hair rather than the ears
2.This is just silly. I'm afraid.
3.Delicious!
4.Doesn’t make much sense even cryptically
19. Ears boxed for eating noisily at the breakfast table ? (10)
1.Well disguised cryptic definition.
2.I like this, though feel the ears is a little too far to garner more points.
3.Winner for me. Would not be out of place in a published crossword.
4.I’m pretty sure it’s just the seeds and not whole ears that go into cornflakes
5.Great definition
6.By the time they're boxed they're not ears any more
7.Unique – I like it.
20. Essentially wholesome snack for student perhaps
1.A good idea but I really don't like 'essentially' as an indicator
2.L stands for learner, not student, just as C stands for cold, not chilled. (L can't mean "student perhaps" because perhaps is the anagrind.)
3.More of a meal than a snack surely?
21. Falconers roughly grabbing hawk’s tail? They’ll get eaten for breakfast!
1.The two halves don't quite knit. Who will get eaten? The falconers?
2.This and 15 are very similar, and equally implausible.
22. Fat rascals perhaps scoffing flan or duff ignoring a breakfast dish
1.Very cleverly constructed to get a plausible surface
2.Clever wordplay, but requires slightly obscure knowledge of Yorkshire cuisine. (As extolled on TV recently by Nadiya Hussain.)
23. Flans and Coke laid out with starter of rice (usually eaten with milk) (10)
1."It is" (usually eaten with milk) has to be inferred. I'm not a fan of this technique.
24. Folk dancer’s giddy daughter went nuts for Orlando
1.Well constructed and disguised
2.Orlando is rather ambiguous – it could be Orlando Florida, Orland Bloom, or the novel by Virginia Woolf, for example.
3.Not keen on ‘went’: ‘has gone’ would work better in the wordplay
4.I think 'going' would be better than 'went'
26. Folks are extremely certain about choice of breakfast
1.'Extremely certain' is a tautology
27. For starters: Crab on ramen noodles. For later: a Kinder Egg surprise. They'll set you up for the day.
1.A smooth surface, much better than most acrostics.
2.Arbitrary and unpleasant menu too obviously devised just to create an acrostic.
28. Fork's clean crazy for what you should eat with spoon!
1.I give this a merit for common sense and for not being "clean forks".
2.Just shades it for me amongst the clean forks anagrams
3.Best of the clean forks by some distance
29. Frank Close had these for breakfast!
1.Arbitrary personal names are not convincing, even more so when there are two of them.
2.Can’t see how ‘had’ indicates a mixing of letters
3.Unfortunately I'd never heard of him
30. Fruit loops, or an alternative? (10)
1.Unfortunately the breakfast food is "Froot Loops" (with a capital L) so the clue falls a bit flat.
31. Hard blistering scattershot attack best to dismiss those facing early bowling?
1.I really like this, just a bit dubious whether 'early bowling' is a fair definition
2.If the definition is meant to be "early bowling?" it doesn't work.
32. Impatiently cleans fork and spoon for these
1.Impatiently doesn't work for me as an anagrind despite the fact that impatience could result in disorder.
33. Incredible number of chocolate bars eaten for breakfast
1.and "of"…?
2."It is" (eaten for breakfast) has to be inferred. I'm not a fan of this technique. And "of" is not clued.
3.Nice idea but I think the “of” is superfluous
4.'Eaten' could be left out
34. King and Knight tuck into alfreso style breakfast for some
1.Pity about the typo (easily done) but the anagram indicator is weak and the last two words are unnecessary.
35. Light snack for little eaters primarily
1.Very neat clue. It's a pity it's such an obscure anagrind. As you say it's in Chambers, but why? Is it light as in set on fire?
2.My Chambers doesn't justify "light" as an anagrind. (Giddy is closest, but I don't think synonyms of anagrinds are acceptable.)
3.I don't like light as an anagrind.
36. Meal alfresco finally OK, lockdown relaxed
1.Nicely topical surface. Meal feels slightly vague as a definition.
2.A brilliant topical reference. Could easily win, although "relaxed" isn't a particularly convincing anagrind.
3.This one jumped out at me for its neat hospitality.
4.Almost my winner being topical and different but 'meal' (not breakfast) as a definition is stretching it a bit.
37. Meal slight eccentric makes when the sun goes down?
1.Neat, but does one “make” cornflakes?
38. Mealie chips for morning meal.
1.There's hardly anything cryptic about this.
2.This is really just a straight def.
3.Ek glo die regte woord is 'mielie'
39. Meal/snack prepared with or without a dash of milk tastes fine
1.Why not the simpler "Meal or snack prepared without a dash of milk tastes fine"? although it's still not an &Lit.
40. Misguided falconers fed kestrels primarily roasted maize and nuts
1.Nice clue, but 'primarily' is a pity, it's so obvious an indicator
2."Primarily" can result in a slightly clunky surface, as it does here.
41. My extremely naff film is about the French female's morning ritual (10)
1.Vague definition – a "morning ritual" could be almost anything.
42. My freakish fans like no one's fare (10)
1.Ingenious wordplay, but the surface doesn't make much sense.
43. My new friends (at first) Constance and Victoria say they’re into bowls in the morning
1.Nice idea for the lakes
2.I like the reference to the lakes, but the definition is unconvincing, and "at first" only confuses the surface reading.
3.Some good ideas but the surface ends up rather forced
44. My snake perversely eats crust of falafel for breakfast
1.A bizarre and implausible image.
45. New Orleans KFC breakfast?
1.Very clever
2.Equal points to this and 66. I don't think they do serve cornflakes, but this is neater.
3.Nice anagram, the possibility of which had occurred to me as well – but they don't serve cornflakes for breakfast – I checked!
4.Lovely concise anagram clue
5.The winner for me – and in 4 words – brilliant!
46. Old-fashioned swindles surrounding Latin breakfast food
1.I don't thinks swindles are quite the same thing as fakes, and the clue's overall meaning is hard to understand.
2.‘Corn’ isn’t an adjective meaning ‘old-fashioned’, but a noun meaning ‘something old-fashioned’
47. Pastries stuffed with boiled lemon skin for a healthy breakfast (10)
1.Nice clue. I'm not sure how healthy they are though
2.Lemons have peel and pith, not skin. Finely CHOPPED lemon peel would taste better (preferably organic).
48. Podiatrist’s breakfast?
1.Evokes a very unpleasant image – foot fetishism taken too far?
2.I’d prefer a crossword clue to a riddle
3.good humour!
4.Yuk, but raised a giggle!
5.Yuk
49. Popular breakfast cooked alfresco outside of kitchen
1.Best of the 'alfresco' clues
2.You don't cook cornflakes, and alfresco would be outside the kitchen by definition.
3.Good idea, wish the anagram indicator had been something like 'prepared' instead of 'cooked'
4.Nicely done alfresco clue
5.Neat and effective.
50. Popular breakfast snack for the French can be bananas (10)
1.I like it; although I think 'is bananas' is better?
2.This is a slightly unnatural way of saying "Bananas can be a popular breakfast snack for the French." (When?)
51. Put clean forks out for breakfast (10)
1.Probably the best of the clean forks ones
2.Best of the 'clean forks' clues.
3.Put has no role in the wordplay or definition
52. Salad forks? Clean spoon is needed to eat this dish
1."Salad" is not an anagram indicator.
53. Seamen are stuck with endless fish and chips for breakfast
1.Lovely idea, not sure the positiondicators quite work
2.Good spot. Not convinced by “are stuck with” as containment indication. “Tucking into”?
3."Seamen get stuck into…" would correct the wordplay and improve the surface.
54. Sentimental prose fails to show up in first feed of the day.
1.Why on earth should it? I can't imagine a context in which this would make sense.
55. Set clean forks for breakfast (10)
1.Definition is a stretch
56. Set out clean forks in preparation for breakfast
1."in preparation" could be omitted. But then we'd almost have 55.
57. Silly Americans! I'll have them for breakfast!
1.What's going on? Lacks context.
58. Slacken for cooked breakfast?
1.The suggestion of loosening one's belt is creative but vague.
2.Effective and humorous.
59. Sort of scran eaten primarily with semi-skimmed milk?
1.Not sure about semi-skimmed. Arguably the milk here is doubly-skimmed.
60. Spill the beans, mostly about religious leader with limited involvement of Superior, perhaps to expose goofs in America.
1.Too long!
2.Much too long. See comment number 2 from February. (Not mine).
3.Unnecessarily long clue
61. Spooner's breakfast? Two bob buns.
1.It only works if 'florin' is pronounced 'florn'
2.No, they are florins, not florns. Poor old Spooner.
3.That's not how you pronounce cornflakes
4.Corin-flakes?
5.Florin cakes -> Corin flakes ?
62. Stirring this cereal about could constitute uncool breakfast.
1.Good comp anag but not totally convinced by the definition
2.It can be hard for composite anagrams to sound natural, and this doesn't really manage it.
63. This is a bit tough – peelings for breakfast! (10)
1.Excellent surface, nicely original
2.To get "corn" from "This is a bit tough" is asking too much of the solver.
3.Clueing as CORN+FlLAKES takes away cryptic element. Shared etymology
64. Trimming rings from flowing Afro locks, one put in a bowl for breakfast (10)
1.Eating hair would be bizarre, and the clue needs to indicate that only two O's should be removed, not all three of them.
2.A pity the surface doesn't make sense
65. Undecided on KFC's real breakfast favourite.
1.I don't think "undecided" is a good anagram indicator, and the surface doesn't quite work – who is undecided?
2.A rather strange anagram indicator
66. Unlikely menu item in New Orleans KFC?
1.Good idea, but better executed in clue 45
2.Neatly done – best of the KFCs
3.Equal points to this and 45. I don't think they do serve cornflakes, but 45 is neater.
4.More credible than 45 but the definition is a bit too wide in scope
67. Unruly flock's near – a rooster indicates their presence?
1.Nice original idea and definition
2.Refreshingly different definition
3.Excellent idea, but I don't think the question mark works, so I'd prefer "a rooster could indicate their presence".
4.Enjoyed the definition, nicely tied to the wordplay
68. Use clean forks for ready-to-eat breakfast (10)
1.I wouldn't describe cornflaked as "ready-to-eat" (without milk?) and it doesn't add anything useful to the clue.
69. What many usually eat in the morning, or when ending oddly full, in between pastries (10)
1.Surface not smooth
2.Seven words is a lot to define "cornflakes", and the clue doesn't read smoothly.
70. What may be bowled with floated delivery? (10)
1.CD is a bit too much of a stretch for me
2.Relies on "bowled" to mean "put into a bowl". Without a dictionary reference to support it, it's too whimsical.
71. Who'd have thought footballers swilled sake for breakfast?
1.Would be better with "American footballers"
72. With this cereal, a chef baked French loaf and cakes
1.Does anybody enjoy composite anagrams? I suppose the voting will tell!
2.Another unconvincing composite anagram.
3.Very nice. I would have been happy even without 'cereal' in the surface.